Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2

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Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - yellow15 - 09-20-2009 01:55 PM

Review Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1

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Build Quality
The 85mm f/1.8 feels very much like the 35mm f/2D and 50mm f/1.4D, which is typcial Nikon quality. But while the 85mm 1.8D's build quality is pretty decent, it's the 1.4D that has the pro grade lens build quality. It feels strong like a tank when you hold it on your hand, the focus ring is very smooth and has the same rough finish that is on other Nikon AF pro grade lenses

Weight and Size
Even they are both 85mm prime lenses, the 85mm 1.4D is definitely quite a bit bigger, it's both wider and longer than the 1.8D. Not only that, the 1.4D is a lot heavier as well. (550g vs 380g).

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From Left to Right: AF-S 50mm f/1.4G, AF 85mm f/1.8D, AF 85mm f/1.4D, AF-S 24-70mm f/2.8G

The 1.4D has a much larger front element which takes 77mm filter. The 1.8D's smaller front element takes smaller 62mm filter. 77mm filter is more expensive than the 62mm filter.
But one thing is, 62mm is not really a popular filter size. and if you are buying a 85mm f/1.4D, chances are you already have at least one or more professional lens that uses 77mm filter such as the 24-70 f/2.8, 28-70 f/2.8, or 70/80-200 f/2.8 ..etc So the 1.4D's 77mm filter maybe more convenient to a lot of photographers.

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Autofocus

Both lenses are AF and not the newer AF-S type autofocus lenses. Because of that, if you are using a entry model DSLR such as D40,D60,D3000 which does not have a body autofocus motor, you won't be able to autofocus at all.
Autofocus speed is reasonably fast with both lenses. When used on a D700, both are actually very fast. While it's not as fast as the AF-S 70-200 VR, it's a lot faster than the AFS 50mm f/1.4G. I've read lots of reviews that mention about the very slow 85mm f/1.4D AF speed. I personally don't really feel the difference when i'm using these two lenses to take photo with a D700 but i believe it's partly because of the longer focus ring travel path (~135degree) compare to the 1.8D (~90degree). Even when using the 1.4D on a D80, the autofocus speed is a bit slower but still decent.
Both lenses are IF (internal focusing) and length does not change when focusing. the front element does not rotate as well so it's CPL friendly.
My test copy of the 85mm f/1.8 seems to have some noise coming from the internal gears and is a bit louder when focusing.

The 85mm f/1.4D has a ring-based M/A switch for you to switch between manual and autofocus mode. This is definitely not as convenient as the newer AF-S design. I myself don't use manual focus very often so it's not a big problem to me.
The 85mm f/1.8 doesn't have any M/A switch, so you'll have to change to manual mode from the camera body if you want to use manual focus. Both manual focus ring feel nice and smooth, but the 1.4D's slightly dampened focus ring + the larger travel path as mentioned before make manual focus a much better experience on the 1.4D.

The minimum focusing distance is the same for both lenses at 0.85m. So don't even think about using it as a macro lens.

Image Quality

The followings photos shows you the center and corner picture sharpness at different aperture size:
(all sample photo straight JPG from camera, no postprocessing / sharpening.)

Test Equipment:
Nikon D700
Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D lens
Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D lens

Original Photo:
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The two areas we are going to compare at 100% are highlighted in red.

100% crop at center:

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Both lenses are reasonable sharp even at wide open. The 1.4D seems to be slightly sharper than the 1.8D from wide open to f/2.8 but the difference is really small. From f/2.8+ onwards there is virtually no difference even when you are pixel peeping at 100%.
Another thing is autofocus seems to be pretty accurate and consistant with both lenses. All the photo's focus were spot on.

Now let's look at the 100% crop at corner from the same set of photos:

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The 1.4D has really soft corner from wide open up to f/5.6. The 1.8D's corner performance seems to be much sharper even at wide open. To make sure the 1.4's soft corner was not because of human error (which probably isn't, because the center crops are all sharp and in focus), i've re-shoot another set of comparison photo (also tried manual focus with liveview) and I have very similar results.
If you are using the lens to take say like landscape photo at wide open, then the 1.8D would definitely be a much better lens for you. But most people who bought the 85mm lens used it for portrait photos so the soft photo at corner is not really a big problem as it's very seldom you would place your model at the corner. But it's quite interesting to see the 1.8D has much sharper corner

[added: 2009/09/22]

Quite a few readers are a bit surprised by f/1.4D's corner performance. Here are two more comparison shots . both are corner crop at 100%

Cropped from the same set of photos shown above. But this time i crop at bottom right corner:

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Another set of photos i took (manual focus using live view). 100% crop at bottom left corner this time.

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RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 - yellow15 - 09-20-2009 01:55 PM

Bokeh

These are comparision photos showing the differences in bokeh between the two lenses:

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Both lenses give very smooth and creamy bokeh. Afterall this is one of the most important thing for a good portrait lens. Bokeh from the f/1.4D lens is slightly smoother at the same aperture setting and it has the advantage of being able to open up an extra 2/3 stop to give even more creamy bokeh.

And here is a comparison picture between AF 85mm f/1.4D and AFS 50mm f/1.4G both at f/1.4. Camera was at same position and focus on the handrail.

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With the same aperture and shooting/focus distance, the background from the 85mm lens is just a lot more softer and creamy.

So what about the highlight bokeh?

Highlight Bokeh

For the comparison picture below, both lenses were shot at wide open:
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The f/1.4D lens gives very round and smooth highlight bokeh. the f/1.8D's highlight bokeh is also very round as well but a bit nervous with visible halo near the edge.

Now let's look at it closer and compare the highlight bokeh with 100% crop at different aperture settings:

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At f/1.8, the hightlight bokeh look very similar from both lenses. From f/2.8 onwards, the highlight bokeh from the 1.4D lens remain relatively round even at f/8. But the 1.8D lens's highlight bokeh quickly become a polygon shape and is not round anymore. Also the bokeh from the f/1.8D lens has more obvious bright rings - more nervous bokeh.

Chromatic Aberration

CA sample photo

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both lenses have very bad CA problem at f/1.4-f/1.8. It becomes a lot better from f/2.8 and not really obvious from f/5.6.. In this set of photos, the f/1.8D lens seems to have slightly worse CA problem at f/4.0 than the f/1.4D lens . But i also notice in other pictures i shot, sometimes the f/1.8D has less CA problem than the f/1.4D with the same aperture setting.

Sample and Colour Rendition

Both lenses give out good contrast and colour. Skin tone looks beautiful. And i don't see any difference in colour rendition between the two lenses.
The photos below were shot with manual white balance.

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Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D at f/1.4
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Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D at f/1.8
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Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D at f/1.4
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note: The two photo above were shot at exactly identical settings with manual white balance. The difference in colour is most likely due to shooting the florescent light with a high shutter speed (the shutter speed was 1/4000s).

The following two photos, one was taken with the 85mm f/1.4D and one was taken with the 85mm f/1.8D lens both were taken at wide open.
Can you guess which one was taken with the f/1.4D lens and which one was taken with the f/1.8D lens? (answer at the end of the review)

A:
[Image: 8518sample.jpg]

Others

If there is one thing i really don't like about these 85mm lenses, it's the lens hood!! (oh and the price tag as well). Compare to the newer Nikon lenses, both the 85mm f/1.4D and f/1.8D's lens hood design is really ancient.
1. The lens hood is non reversible, the only way you can attach it to the lens is the forward position. you can't reverse it for storage.
2. It uses the screw on design, not the newer turn and click design. Not only it takes a bit longer time to install and uninstall it, i have a feeling that one day i will damage the lens when i'm installing the lens hood.
3. The lens cap cannot be installed "independently" from the lens hood.

Conclusions
The Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D and AF 85mm f/1.8D are two of the most commonly used portrait lens by professional and amateur photographers especially wedding and portrait photographers around the world.
Both the 85mm f/1.4D and 85mm f/1.8D lenses can give you great portrait pictures with very nice colour, center sharpness and very nice bokeh.
So which lens should i buy?
I guess the answer really depends on who you are or who you ask . If you are a professional wedding photographer, just go and buy the 1.4D for the better bokeh, professional grade build quality and it being 2/3 stop faster which give you a bit more flexibility when you need it. If you are an amateur photographer with very tight budget, then you can't go wrong with the 1.8D, not only it's a lot cheaper, it's also smaller and the overall picture quality is almost just as good (and better in some area) than the 1.4D

But if you are not a professional photographer and you can afford the f/1.4D lens but not sure if it's really worth the extra money, here are the major differences between the two lenses, have a look and hopefully it'll help you to decide which lens suits you the most:

AF 85mm f/1.4D
-it is 2/3 stop faster than the f/1.8D
-the center sharpness is better when shooting at wide open
-very creamy bokeh that is better than the f/1.8D's already very nice bokeh
-Highlight Bokeh is a lot smoother and more round when you stop down.
-Professional Grade Build quality
-The f/1.4D uses the more expensive but also more common 77mm filter so you probably already have the filter that can fit this lens
-easier to Manual focus because of the longer focus ring travel, smoother and slightly dampened focus ring and the M/A focus switch

AF 85mm f/1.8D
-The corner sharpness is quite a bit better than the f/1.4D
-It is smaller and lighter and uses a less expensive 62mm filter
-It is only 40% the price of the f/1.8D
-Autofocus is slightly faster than the f/1.4D

Answer for the sample photo:
A: 85mm f/1.8D @ f/1.8
B: 85mm f/1.4D @ f/1.4

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 - CTM - 09-20-2009 04:12 PM

Thanks for the great review!

I am surprised to see the corners so soft. But most photographers who purchase this lens, as mentioned use it primarily as a portrait lens. Soft corners are not really a problem at all. According to bythom.com the corners on a DX body are considered "good" and only soft on a FX body.

I am hoping part #2 of the review will be the big finale, the most deciding factor of the 2 lenses, BOKEH! Can the 85/1.8 real get as creamy as the 1.4? Is it worth the extra $$ I am looking forward to it!

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 - yellow15 - 09-20-2009 04:39 PM

yes, the 2nd part of the review will mainly be focused on bokeh. which in my opinion is one of the most important requirement as a good portrait lens.

so come back in a few days and see if the 1.4D really worths the extra money.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 - ArcspacE - 09-21-2009 03:51 AM

Thanks for the great review.
Looking forward to Part 2.
Such a major size difference.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 - yellow15 - 09-22-2009 12:44 PM

Edited part 1 with extra size comparison photo and a few minor text changes.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - yellow15 - 09-26-2009 04:46 PM

part 2 of the review added!

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - CTM - 09-26-2009 04:58 PM

Thank you. Great comparison! I guessed right with the above 2 pictures of your daughter! WOOHOO! If I had guessed wrong, I may as well sell my 1.4D.

The 85/1.8 does very well considering its price.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - ArcspacE - 09-28-2009 05:53 AM

Excellent review.
Top effort.
Thanks you so much.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - Felix - 09-29-2009 09:53 PM

fantastic effort...the only thing i dont get is that why 1.8 has better corner sharpness than 1.4 lens.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - ArcspacE - 09-29-2009 09:58 PM

What would justufy spending 3x on the f1.4?
I'm definitely going for the f1.8

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - CTM - 09-29-2009 10:33 PM

(09-29-2009 09:53 PM)Felix Wrote: fantastic effort...the only thing i dont get is that why 1.8 has better corner sharpness than 1.4 lens.

That is also something I am curious to find out. My copy of the 85/1.4 I feel has decent corner sharpness, I haven't compared it to a 85/1.8 so I can't comment.

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - yellow15 - 09-30-2009 07:10 AM

(09-29-2009 09:53 PM)Felix Wrote: fantastic effort...the only thing i dont get is that why 1.8 has better corner sharpness than 1.4 lens.

Probably a design tradeoff in order to get some better performance in other area? i don't know.

but the review from photozone also found the 1.4D is a lot softer than the 1.8D in the corner esp at wide open: (epsecially the 1st copy of 1.4D they tested)

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/220-nikkor-af-85mm-f14d-review--test-report?start=1

http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/221-nikkor-af-85mm-f18-d-review--test-report?start=1

Remember they were testing with a D200 so i would guess on a full frame camera like the D700 i use, the 1.4D's corner performance wil be even worse.

And remember there are sample variations, check the large difference in results between the 1st and 2nd copy of 1.4D Photozone.de tested, so it is quite possible my test copy's corner is softer than average 1.4D

And a few things i want to add:

1. I'm cropping at very extreme corner. If i crop slightly more closer to the center, the result would be better.

2. I've done no postprocessing/sharpening to the pictures. A small amount of sharpening would make quite a big difference to the picture.

3.For "normal" use, i.e. viewing picture on screen (even full screen) or print out to anything small than A4, it's really hard to tell if the corner is soft or not at all.

4.On the normal photos i took, (e.g. people, animals... anything apart from brick walls or newspaper), i never notice the corner picture quality problem even when i'm shooting at f/1.4 and have something near the corner.

It's only when we are pixel peeping at 100% then you notice the soft corner problem.

I'll try to do another round of comparison photos when i've a bit spare time

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - yellow15 - 09-30-2009 07:20 AM

(09-29-2009 09:58 PM)ArcspacE Wrote: What would justufy spending 3x on the f1.4?
I'm definitely going for the f1.8

there are a few things...

build quality
better bokeh
extra 2/3 stop
better manual focus

but isn't it always like that? the money you have to pay for the faster version is not directional proportional to the increase in picture/lens quality.

(price from B&H, US stock)
AFS 300m f/4.0 US$1495 vs AFS 300mm f/2.8 US$5300
AF 50mm f/1.8 US$135 vs AF 50mm f/1.4 US$330

or look at Canon's 85mm
EF 85mm f/1.8 US$439 vs EF 85mm f/1.2 $2000!!! Confused

RE: Review: Nikon AF 85mm f/1.4D vs Nikon AF 85mm f/1.8D - part 1 + part 2 - ArcspacE - 09-30-2009 03:52 PM

(09-30-2009 07:20 AM)yellow15 Wrote: but isn't it always like that? the money you have to pay for the faster version is not directional proportional to the increase in picture/lens quality.

That's my point.
IQ is not 3 times better it seems.